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So, yeah...what are your thoughts? I definitely have a LOT to say, especially concerning the last couple episodes...but before I proceed, I guess I need to get confirmation that you ARE all caught up, right?
As you can imagine, I'm MEGA-PISSED about Glenn. Like, seriously - this goes BEYOND my well-established hatred of him, because I swear, I've seen this same sentiment expressed across the spectrum, by people who hate Glenn and even people who LOVE Glenn. For him to survive that was just pure idiocy that destroys a vast majority of this show's credibility. It just proves, once and for all, that fan-favorites are like gods and can survive ANYTHING that would instantly kill a second-rate character or redshirt, JUST because they're popular. Seriously: So Nicholas's body was on top of Glenn, fine and dandy. The aerial shot then SHOWED that Nicholas was spread across Glenn not vertically (i.e., his body lined up parallel to Glenn's) but HORIZONTALLY (i.e., perpendicular - like a T-shape), covering up most of Glenn's torso. So you mean to tell me that Glenn's lower stomach, and the entirety of his waist area and BOTH legs, PLUS his head, neck, shoulders, and upper chest...are ALL completely EXPOSED...and he doesn't get bit once? Are you kidding me? Sorry, no; that's BS. And it may be hard to believe, but I swear I'd be just as mad if they pulled this with someone like Carol, or Morgan, because it'd be just as stupid. But for Glenn it's worse; he's already dodged TWO very close bullets (the sickness in S4 and Nicholas SHOOTING him, and him being surrounded by walkers, in the S5 finale), and now this? Glenn seriously is immortal in this show, and it's downright infuriating on top of the fact that, of all the long-lasting characters, he is by far the BLANDEST and has had NO development since S2 (where, let's be honest, his entire "story" was him trying to get laid), and no role since S3 (where he and Maggie were just plot devices to move the Governor story forward, with their kidnapping, so that Rick's people had an excuse to attack Woodbury). I'm so tired of Glenn, and when he finally DOES die...I will be SO happy.
And beyond Glenn, the entire first half of S6 feels an awful lot like the first half of S4 in that the overarching story (the herd, namely) is SO random and poorly-written, that it's not only repetitive (echoing the "sickness" storyline in S4 Part 1), but it's also a cheap excuse for throwing out a ton of filler episodes. And let's be honest; at this point, the whole "Is Glenn Dead" bit was obviously just a plot device to keep the viewers watching for the next few filler episodes, even though those had NOTHING to do with Glenn and, ironically, were both REALLY good in their own right (Morgan's episode was amazing, and I REALLY liked the focus on Abraham in the Daryl/Abraham/Sasha episode). And as if the filler aspect and regurgitated MacGuffin wasn't enough...I feel that this season was WAY too heavy on people drama: Two teenagers getting into a love triangle and trying to KILL each other over a girl (Seriously? Like fathers like sons, I guess. :P); Throwing in the totally random-a$$ love story between the non-existent Tara and the clumsy doctor (unnecessarily changing her sexuality from the comics because...reasons? Even though her boyfriend FROM the comics is in the show now? And come to think of it; where the heck HAS Heath been in the last few episodes? O.o); More focus on Rick trying to get at the woman whose husband he just killed (blech); and now this weird little kid who's obviously gonna be the show's Danny Lloyd (that's original); More on Deanna, even though she's an extremely weak character (but at least her death fulfilled 2/3 of my death predictions this season! YAY! :D). Seriously. The ONE and only human stories I liked this season were: 1) Morgan, particularly his determination to "rehabilitate" the Wolf (who's freaking awesome, BTW). And 2) Abraham's quiet development in that aforementioned episode. That scene with him and the soldier walker spoke VOLUMES without a single word. But all of these, and more, do contribute to me perfectly understanding the critics' arguments when they say that this first half is FULL of filler and human drama, almost like the zombies are a total backdrop. Plus, the fact that NO ONE major died was just ridiculous, again, especially after Glenn SHOULD have been ripped apart.
So yeah, so far, I'm still convinced that Season 5 was WAAAAAY better than this. But what are your thoughts?
Seriously. This was such a disappointing first half.
I agree with you 100% on the Glenn thing. By far the laziest, dumbest, most idiotic thing to EVER come out of The Walking Dead. I called it though. Because I knew AMC would be dumb enough to do it. And honestly, if they wanted Glenn to survive that... have Nicholas still commit suicide, but just have HIS corpse be devoured, and he doesn't even fall on Glenn. And then Glenn just watches as this guy he was trying to "fix" gets torn apart (even though he's already dead). Or better yet, have Nicholas JUMP IN to sacrifice himself, which is what it LOOKED like he was going for.
Abraham is still dumb in my opinion. The scene with the soldier was kind of jarring in my opinion. I get what they are trying to do, but Abraham (and Eugene, dear God) are still so far off from their comic counterparts that they're just bad to me.
Morgan's storyline is good, but his confrontation with Carol over the wolf was dumb. They were both so stupid about it. And then Tara and Rosita just GIVE their guns to him? They've gotten headshots from walkers from forty feet, and they can't get ONE guy from SEVEN FEET?
The entirey of the first alf of this season was just ridiculous.
Yep - we pretty much agree 100%, lol. That's awesome. XD
Yeah, I can see why you're not liking Eugene; if for no other reason than he's not changing. Sure his over-the-top diction in most of his lines is still funny to me, but we're not getting any character development, like, at all. He was a plot device in the back half of Season 4 and the first half of Season 5, and now he's just the comic relief.
Honestly, again, what angers me the most is the total lack of significant character deaths. One thing that made Season 5 so good was the sudden deaths of so many main characters - Bob, Beth, Tyreese, Noah - it was all so brutal and really allowed us to feel just how painful and weary it was for all of them. But now, again, when Glenn becomes Superman and can survive anything, and literally the only characters who bite it now are redshirts or second-rates...I'm almost kinda shocked that Deanna actually bit it this last episode. It's like Season 4 all over again - a TON of second-hand characters (Karen, the Indian doctor, the Chambler family, the little girls) bit the dust, but did ANY major characters die other than Hershel and the Governor? And especially when it's the MAIN episodes of the season that are lacking - no one major died in the S5 finale OR the S6 mid-season finale. It was always a trend that each major point of the season (premiere, mid-season finale, mid-season premiere, and finale) was the highest chance for a major character to die (Hershel and Governor in S4 mid-season, Beth in S5 mid-season finale, Tyreese in S5 mid-season premiere), but now we've gone literally FIFTEEN EPISODES since someone major (Tyreese) actually died.
And also, I'm so tired of people using the excuse that Glenn and Carol and all of them need to stay alive because they've been around so long. Like, seriously? What's your point? Did people try to use that as an excuse to save Lori, or Andrea? No. They only care about characters who are "popular," even if they have no story/personality. Seriously - the last time we lost an original character was Andrea in the S3 finale. It is SO long overdue for either Glenn or Carol to die.
Actually, as much as I think The Guardian is a piece of trash excuse of a publication, I actually find myself agreeing a LOT with their official TWD reviewer, Brian Moylan; not only is he pissed about the Glenn thing, and actually wants Carl to die (yay), but he summed it up so PERFECTLY about the major, long-term implications of the Glenn fakeout: That now, unlike past deaths like Andrea, or Hershel, or Tyreese, which were all 100% clear that they died...Glenn's death now forever leaves us with the possible doubt, every time someone major is in peril, or injured, or about to be shot or bitten, that the character may end up surviving; because now, apparently, this is less like the "Who's gonna die?" theme that made TWD so great and is also causing GoT to surge, and is now transitioning back to the old 1950's serial mantra of "Will they survive?" Obviously, one of those two is FAR superior, much more dramatic, and fits such a dark show WAY better, rather than the other one that kinda ruins the fun and makes the show way less credible.
And I personally don't like what they're doing with Carol. Carol was SO GOOD in season four, but she's become another invincible character since, arguably, season five. Daryl's always been that way too.
EXACTLY. Carol is easily one of the show's best characters, and the best turn-around ever in terms of how far superior she is to her comic book counterpart. From her domestic abuse and losing her husband in S1, to losing her daughter in S2, to her killing Karen and Redshirt Dude and her relationship with the two little girls in S4, to her interactions with Daryl pretty much the entire time...she's had a beautiful arc and will pretty much always be the show's best woman, and one of the best bada$$es. But her arc totally ended by Season 5, and she's basically just another Michonne now; a total bad-a$$, but with zero character (personality-wise, Carol at least kinda still has it, unlike Michonne).
And honestly, Michonne is another one that is NOT talked about enough. Let's be honest - has she had ANY role since Season 4? Her entire existence was basically to be an anti-Governor. I honestly think we wouldn't miss a darn thing if she died in the S4 mid-season finale as well. Plus, the Writing is on the Wall with that possible scenario - it would've been BEAUTIFUL if she ended up going out taking the Governor down with her. Like, more similar to the comics where they're on a ledge over a herd of walkers, and they're both locked in a fight, Sherlock Holmes vs. Moriarty style, and Michonne decides to sacrifice herself just to kill him too, and throws them both off the edge into a herd of walkers. THAT would've been PERFECT.
I honestly don't care for Michonne. Like, what does she DO? I'm tired of a lot of fans liking someone because "lol badass", and hating characters like Gabriel because "hates group = bad character" or Merle/Shane because "mean = bad character".
EXACTLY, ZOMG. The casuals are so bad. Again, Twitter is basically one giant hate-fest for Gabriel, 'cuz reasons. And goodness, it's been so long since we've seen Shane and Merle, but I faintly remember most of my casual friends not liking them because, yeah, "they're jerks. >:(" Gag me.
With that said about Michonne though, don't be surprised if they try to give her a love interest soon - because love interests apparently equate to making someone more interesting (see: Bob and Sasha. :P). I'm willing to wager that, since the doctor's apparently a lesbian now, Heath could possibly be Michonne's new BF.
Dude, you would probably love GoT if you like Walking Dead. GoT is literally 8000% better. Plus, if you don't have HBO, perhaps ask for the first season dvd for Christmas? Trust me, it's worth getting in to. If you're not interested in the show, at least borrow the first book from a library.
While I do agree with a good bit of the things that have been said so far, I do have a few comments:
1) I choose to look at Glenn's death as a beacon of hope. To, sort of, show us that not everyone is going to die just like that, some will actually live and have their storylines wrapped up, and will have a (happy as possible) happy ending. Even though I don't like his character, and think he has been written as kind of a do**he post-escape, I think this worked to, not only increase views (which all shows have to do, let's be honest) but also to show that not everything is brutal in such a violent world.
2) Following up on Glenn, I did predict his death to happen this season, and even wanted it to, but I felt bad for him when he was stuck with Nicholas and then said accident happened. However, now that we know Maggie is pregnant, I'd prefer for him to not die- not yet. Just because Maggie has been through so much and she deserves to have her hubby. I, actually, do believe this baby is meant to give her more to care about- all of her family is dead now, minus the obvious Glenn, so a baby- preferably with the last name 'Greene'- is just what she needs and deserves... it could also be a replacement for Glenn, so she is not just another sole survivor, if he does die this season.
3) Not every character can constantly have a new arc to go through. I do agree that Michonne needs a new plot to undergo, perhaps her and Carl's friendship coming back, but I think Carol is fine, especially with this new Morgan conflict- I think it's a perfect clash of morals that we haven't seen so far this season. Plus, Carol and Daryl have gone through quite a bit in the past seasons to allow them a bit of a slower tide, at least for this half of the season.
4) I absolutely hated Shane- not because he "was a jerk," but because of his attitude and abandoning that, um, farm guy, et cetera. I, actually, didn't mind Merle, though.
5) I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that more characters need to die. Main/Important ones, anyway. I was totally expecting at least three important character deaths, yet we only receive Deanna (who I am sad to see go). According to Kirkman, there are a lot of deaths in the mid-season premiere, but a lot of characters have outlived their usefullness AND personality. Carl's only plot this season appears to be a conflict with Ron which is garbage + a little Enid- I only enjoy the latter, although that only lasted an episode or two; Abraham seems to have something new with Sasha, but that's it; Eugene is solely comic relief, like you said; Rosita's only memorable moment since her DEBUT, in my opinion at least, is her talking to Eugene in the last episode- those lines were iconic, but still the only thing at least semi-important; Gabriel is... yeah. The only reason I have problems with these characters specifically is because they are all apart of the main cast ("Also Starring" every episode is also main), yet they do little to nothing.
1) I'm sorry, but last I checked, this show is not supposed to be "happy as possible." It's a zombie apocalypse, you know - it's supposed to be dark, brutal, and bleak as hell. So no, throwing in "happy" stuff like that just takes away more credibility. And can you please point out any development/story involving Glenn that NEEDS to continue, and thus warrants him surviving that insane ordeal? As I've said before, Glenn has had no personality/development/arc since Season 2 (him trying to get laid), and no role since Season 3 (when he and Maggie were kidnapped). Come to think of it, the last handful of Glenn-centric episodes (him and Tara meeting Abraham's group, him meeting Enid) all just regurgitate the SAME basic "motivation" over and over again, which is Glenn saying: "I have to get back...to my wife." So basically, Glenn has NO role on this show OTHER than being Maggie's husband. So why keep him around when the focus COULD be on Maggie, another character who seriously needs development?
2) Basically the same points as before; it's not supposed to be happy or give her relief. I mean, sure, the baby can be some solace, the same way Judith was for Rick and Carl. But I still think it makes for a WAY more dramatic outcome, and serves to make Maggie more interesting, if the baby is ALL she has left - no Glenn, no father, no husband.
3) But this Morgan conflict is SO washed-up compared to the PERFECT arc Carol had in Seasons 1 - 4. It feels like a cheap, story-related excuse to keep her around when, as you agree, she should've died by now. And my main beef with long-lasting characters (Glenn, Carol, Michonne) not having major stories to go through is that they keep introducing second-rate characters, some of them pretty interesting (Gabriel, Noah, etc.), just for them to die or otherwise get no focus, so that the long-lasting characters with no story are STILL around...just because they're "popular." It proves that the show's priorities are NOT in line, and are focused more on pandering to the casuals.
4) So...you didn't hate Shane because he was a jerk...but you hated him because of his attitude and jerky things he did. (Otis was the dude's name, BTW)
5) At least we agree here. There are PLENTY of redshirts and second-rates who really need to bite it (namely Tara - she has ZERO existence, as far as I'm concerned), and I wouldn't mind someone else forgettable like Rosita also dying (as perfect as she is <3). But on a side note, I really don't take Kirkman that seriously anymore, with all due respect. He loves to act all edgy, with things like "Oh, I would've killed Daryl a LONG time ago," and "No one is safe." Like, I'm sorry, but that's all BS. First off, when you want to kill a character off JUST because they're popular, regardless of whether or not they're actually a GOOD character (like Daryl), then you've missed the point. And second: He doesn't even follow his OWN mantra. If the "no one is safe" line was true, then Rick and Carl would've died YEARS ago. There would be NO main characters. So, yeah. Kirkman's just a greedy and edgy hypocrite, in my humble opinion.
Well, again, you can't just hope someone doesn't die because they're your favorite. Carol's one of my favorites too, but I acknowledge that her glory days are behind her. It'll be better to kill her off soon rather than drag her out into a worthless character like Glenn.
Also, why shouldn't a show have a little hope or happiness? If Lori died and Judith died with her or died only a few episodes later, do you really think anything good would have come out of that? At all?
I understand it's the zombie apocalypse and whatnot, but the show is grim and sad enough as it is- not every character has to lose everyone they hold dear... some deserve to have a little something. Especially we fans: if there was no hope or happiness, we would always suspect the worst and the worst would always become true; we'd have nothing to root for.
Hey, in case you've forgotten, the show has already granted more mercy in the form of happiness than the comics. Keep in mind, in the comics, Lori and Judith (along with nearly half-a-dozen other prominent characters) died in the prison battle, in one devastating shotgun blast. So technically, the show has already given some "happiness" in the fact that Judith has WAY outlived her comic book counterpart.
So if you really believe in the whole "needs to have happiness to combat the bleakness" thing, then you're really not gonna like the comics, dude.
I meant that if an episode CONTAINS a character, they should serve some sort of purpose. In the Morgan backstory episode, I don't expect anything relevant to happen to Maggie or Carl. But I do expect something to happen to Rick, Glenn, and Daryl if the episode contains those three.