So...have you seen the new, official press release on next season's cast?
So far, the one that I definitely like far and away from the rest is Joseph. I may like Alecia, and I thought I'd like Julia up until she said she considers herself to be most like Natalie Tenerelli. Kyle is SO gonna be the most polarizing person this season, lol. IDK if I'll love him or hate him.
And oh yeah, people who I already can't stand: Cydney, Tai, Aubry, and Elisabeth. Obnoxious AF.
Hmm, well, I'm not one to pick favorites that without watching. It kind of bothers me when people do that just because I feel like they stick with that feeling throughout the season. Though I'm interested in seeing how Alecia, Caleb, Elisabeth, Kyle and Peter do (the latter two are giving me villain vibes). Other than that, I'm pretty neutral with everyone else.
And is it me, or do some of these people really seem unfitting to be on their tribes? Like Anna definitely seems like she should be a Brains person and I feel like Darnell doesn't really fit into any team, really.
I can't help it; Joe seems like a cool dude, haha. Kinda like a cross between Tom Westman and Rudy Boesch. <3
Yeah, I see a handful of players who may or may not have villain, quasi-villain, or anti-hero vibes, haha.
And I TOTALLY agree. :P I mean, in Cagayan you could make a similar argument that the members of certain tribes were interchangeable (strong people in the brain tribe, beautiful people in the brawn tribe, brains in the beauty tribe), but they all still had a dynamic that made you feel that this tribe definitely personified that trait (particularly the brawn and brain tribes), and above all else, it was still more or less excusable because that cast was so perfect. Here? SO many of them are definitely interchangeable, including Alecia being Brawn instead of Beauty...and Tai being...Beauty. Ugh. Seriously? Like, SERIOUSLY? The only tribe that seems like it might fit its trait is Brains, which I have a feeling will be an epic failure again. :P Above all else, I feel that this was just a lazy excuse for dividing the tribes, and they were all too eager to repeat a theme from an amazing season in the hopes that they'll capture lighting in a bottle again (yeah, because that worked out SO well for Blood vs. Water 2, didn't it? :P)
All in all, I'm not too stoked for this season. After all, there was a reason they switched the seasons' air dates when this one was long since filmed and edited together before Cambodia even started the fan vote. I'm not getting my hopes up, and for the second season in a row, I'm not making any official predictions.
Weren't they like... completely opposite? x) I mean, one was a hero and one was a villain, lol.
I'm excited for this season, like I usually am anyways. The cast itself might not interest me a whole lot, but I feel like it's easy to tell who the big personalities will be (Aubry, Caleb, Cydney, Kyle, Scot, Tai, etc.) despite whether they're "good" or "bad" personalities. But yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up much either just in case.
I don't think they're marketing it as medevacs specifically, but as a season that has the castaways pitted against the harsh elements. They gave a little preivew to that in Cambodia. But still, it's weird that they're marketing it this way. Especially considering that of the three rumored medevacs, two of them happened after the contestants were eliminated.
Wait, what? Two of them happened after their eliminations? In what way, specifically? A post-Tribal medevac like Erik in Caramoan? Or...a medevac at Ponderosa? Because seriously - if they're getting medevaced at Ponderosa, that's just messed-up. And I certainly don't see two of the three being in that relatively "safe" place and only ONE happening in the wilderness.
That rumors been proven false all three medevacs happen in game and one of the is Caleb Reynolds. Having three in game medevacs is going to most likely ruin a season that already wasn't that strong unless it can pull off a Miocronesia and have two injuries and a quit and still be great but that'st not likely to happen.
OK, Aqua...but does she not realize that there are DOZENS upon DOZENS of "young females" who have played that she'd be better off comparing herself to? That's like if some dude was gay and chose to compare himself to Colton rather than Todd or Josh. It just makes zero sense to me.
@Jaclyn: I think I may like Darnell as the season progresses. I'll keep an eye on him.
Agreed. There are few things more uncomfortable, if not downright infuriating, than a medevac. It's one thing to witness a horrible injury in a challenge, or witness someone break down in sickness - it's something else entirely if it happens to a really good player who MAY have even won. I can't think of any players who may have won had they not been medevaced, but their medevac did change things nonetheless - Erik Reichenbach comes to mind, and maybe other circumstances of sudden removal such as Terry in Cambodia.
Oh, I watched it all the way through from begining to end, lol.
Personally, I loved pretty much every moment of it. That F6 tribal was absolutely... wild, to say the least. To be quite honest, I thought that Kimmi bit off way more than she could chew and I respected that she tried, but I was so happy to see her go.
Keith was great this episode, too. I think he's such a bad strategic player, but no one can say that he's a bad person. I thought it was so incredibly sweet that he'd give up his chance at a win for Kimmi (who I don't think deserved sixth place with the edit she was getting). The fact that he also didn't want to play a fake idol was also respectable. I really enjoyed him this season and hopefully in a future season we can watch him play again.
I was kind of was rooting for the bootlist to be wrong one final time so that we could see a finale with both Jeremy and Kelley to make things really interesting (and it wouldn't matter if it was Spencer or Tasha was sitting next to them, because they wouldn't have won). Anyways, I think Kelley has become one of my favorite female players ever, if not my favorite female player of all time. She did amazing this season and truly embraced the "Second Chances" theme. Wow. I was just in awe of her gameplay this season and I think she should've won. It was such a shame that she was a victim of the "almost there" curse, like you said.
As for the finalists themselves, I can't complain. I like all of them! I thought, watching the season, that it was up in the air between Jeremy and Spencer, but looks like it was going Jeremy's way. I guess I kind of saw it coming in a way, as I think this final episode made Spencer look kind of arrogant and etc. So, while I'm kind of disappointed that it was another landslide vote I think it made sense. Tasha was also pretty irrelevant and I'm disappointed that she wasn't the same Tasha as she was in Cagayan. I felt bad that she lost a lot of her fans but I'm still a fan. Hopefully, if she comes back for another season then she can redeem herself.
So, how do you feel about the finale? Or season as a whole?
Well...as I've said before, I felt that this season was a very up-and-down one, to say the least. It had some great pros and noticeable cons that made it ultimately a perfectly average, but watchable season.
But then the finale...this finale....oh man oh man. Everything about it just felt so, so...underwhelming. The opposite of how awesome the Worlds Apart finale was that it improved the season overall, this finale was really lacking, namely in the editing. Yeah, the F6 was cool, but kinda like the Phillip boot in Caramoan. It was awesome in the moment, but didn't change anything in the long run. And yeah, as you said, we were going into this looking like a close vote between Spencer and Jeremy...only to have THE biggest landslide in Survivor history. Like, holy crap; Jeremy was a fine player, but worthy of the biggest landslide ever? No way. The editing this season is the primary culprit; it balanced out the focus betwee Spencer, Kelley, and Jeremy as a sort of three-headed dragon who were ALL doing great...but for the edit to be so off from the actual outcome, in thst Jeremy was apparently just THAT amazing...that it wasn't even remotely close? It was editing as bad as Samoa or South Pacific. Spencer basically got a Carolyn edit in thst he was being painted as a solid underdog player who, though not likely to beat the front runner, could still get some votes and give us the first close vote since Nicaragua...but like Carolyn, one big heaping dose of NOPE.
And that ties back to the narrative of the overall season. For Jeremy to win so big despite being such a relatively minimal focus....and for his "backstory" to be so repetitive, simple, and rarely mentioned, it made it hard for us to get genuinely excited for him to win, or satisfied when he did win. And that also goes back to my main beef with Jeremy himself. He did exactly what I didn't want him to do; he pulled that frickin' pity card. And see, beyond how much I HATE the pity card in and of itself, the fact that he still played a great game, and thus had all the ammo he needed to make a solid FTC performance based strictly on that, yet STILL chose to just use sympathy and his personal life as his entire argument, just made me wanna vomit. It's an insult to the game of Survivor when all they do is turn it from "Who played the best, and thus earned this money," into "Who has the best sob story and needs the money the most?" Like, I'm sorry, but no. Screw that.
Sigh...and there is so much else to cover. Like, yes; Kelley and Spencer both played better games, in my opinion. Kelley was the best, followed by Spencer, then Jeremy. But to see Spencer get ZERO votes...and to realize that Kelley would've apparently gotten, like, no more than 2 or 3 votes if she made it to the end, is just such a disservice to them and the edit they ultimately got. When people look back on this finale and see, on paper, thst Jeremy won 10-0-0, they'll think; "oh, gee; he must've been the greatest ever and would've clobbered all of those goats!" It's just such a disservice to those who did play well but just weren't recognized by the jury. Like...IDK. I'm still struggling to properly articulate my feelings. This whole fiasco just...leaves a really strange taste in my mouth, leaning towards sour.
IDK. Just give me your response so that I'll have something more specific to work off of. My train of thought is a mess right now. :P
What really made this season average was the editing. For example, Kimmi would have gotten a few votes if she made it to FTC (apparently). But, what did we see her do? Three things: a.) take Monica out before she could make an all-girls alliance b.) attempt to form an all-girls alliance herself c.) attempt to flip on Jeremy/Spencer/Tasha. So what I'm saying is that if she made FTC and all we saw was that... then obviously it wouldn't make sense for people to vote for her. To me, I thought Jeremy was the same way. I mean, he's far from a horrible player, its just that we didn't get to see much of him playing the game. Of his winner edit, the strongest part of what was shown was the personal side of the edit.
With the way the edit was going, it looked like Kelley or Spencer was going to win. Kelley was the embodiment of the "Second Chances" theme and Spencer was doing everything different while still playing a great game. I think that if the F3 was Jeremy, Kelley and Spencer, the finale would've been incredible. The way I saw it (if it was between those three), it'd be this:
Votes for Jeremy: Andrew, Joe, Keith, Kelly, Stephen
Votes for Kelley: Abi, Ciera, Kass, Kimmi
Votes for Spencer: Tasha
So, if it'd happen the way I imagined it would, then it'd be a much more exciting finale (with the same result, though). One of the reasons I think that Jeremy won in a landslide vote though, wasn't just because of the pity card (I think that card would only really work on Andrew, Keith and possibly Tasha, to be honest). I think a lot of the jury members were bitter.
For starters, (and this is talking about the actual F3 now) Kass hates Tasha. So for her it's between Jeremy and Spencer (who kind of assisted in eliminating her). Plus, towards the end he'd been acting arrogant (many castaways have said this) which would be reverting to his Cagayan persona. Andrew was a loyal follower of Jeremy, so makes sense that'd he vote for him. There was a chance that he'd vote for Tasha, but he was closer with Jeremy for longer. Kelly was so bitter that she let fate decide her vote. I mean, seriously? Ciera is the first one who'd probably think clearly, but still you could tell that she had a distaste for all three. Jeremy probably seemed like the lesser evil. Stephen was a blind follower of Jeremy, so his vote was obvious. Joe also wasn't bitter, so maybe it was the pity card that got him or maybe he just thought Jeremy played the best game. Abi is a wild card who disliked pretty much everyone, so again Jeremy is the lesser of the two evils. Kimmi was bitter against Spencer, so there's a vote for Jeremy, lol. Keith probably fell for the sympathy card or voted for Jeremy because of SJDS. Kelley was another one that could've swung either way, and probably thought Jeremy played better.
Yeah, that was an assessment I've seen across Survivor Sucks in the wake of the finale; that the jury, as a whole, was NOT happy with this final three in general and felt that ALL of them were arrogant. Again, the fact that Jeremy got all 10 votes isn't necessarily indicative of the jury loving him, anymore than it was of the Redemption Island jury "loving" Boston Rob by giving him all but one vote. It was simply the least of three evils. And yeah, I agree; as I've said before, a Kelley/Spencer/Jeremy F3 would've been AMAZING. Like, seriously, possibly the BEST final three in YEARS.
But yeah. The main problem with this season is the editing. Beyond even Jeremy and Kimmi, there were PLENTY of people who got minimal edits from early boots (Vytas, PG, and Monica) to people who made it roughly halfway (Woo, Kass, and Kelly freakin' Wiglesworth). Ciera was underwhelming up until her last few episodes, Keith got a mediocre level of focus culminating in the last two episodes being his biggest, Abi got a TON of focus pre-merge but then became a sideshow post-merge...and again, that REALLY weird bit of the first four episodes disproportionately being The Varner Show. Between this and HvV (which, again, both rank about the same level of mediocrity for me), at least HvV gave adequate focus to just about every player, and you could FEEL the all-star status of every one of them. Here, there were so many duds who were almost completely ignored, on top of the fact that it was already pretty difficult to call a lot of these people "all-stars," just as it was to call roughly half of the returning players in Caramoan "favorites." But I guess that's to be expected when the criteria is "only one-time players, and no winners."
Yup, editing is what pretty much makes or breaks each season of Survivor. I think that's why I lean a little bit more towards liking Big Brother more than Survivor. Both are great shows, but Survivor is really good for strong narratives and gameplay etc. because they have time to edit the episodes and pretty much create a story.
Big Brother is different in that 1.) It's live, 24/7, so you can literally check in on what they're doing at any time you want while the show is on. 2.) The narrative that work in Survivor don't work here because the game can change in an hour. So gameplay is a really big part of it.
Sorry for kind of heading into Big Brother territory, lol. I'm not sure if you watch it or not, but you should consider it!
Anyways, back to Survvor. Yeah, I was disappointed that so many people were duds this season and got so little focus. Wiglesworth was the most shocking to me because she got a lot of focus in the first episode but after that, pretty much nothing until her elimination. I thought that, even though it's understandable because he left early, Terry was kinda boring too. I mean, he was sweet and I want to see more of him (I hope he comes back for either Fans vs. Faves or something else because he deserves an actual chance). Woo and Monica were two others that I kinda thought that were going to get a little more focus, but didn't. I mean, Woo kinda did, but only because he was on Angkor and they lost a couple challenges. Monica though, was really shocking that they didn't do more with her. I was excited to see her.
It's sad that all of those players got the short end of the stick because Varner took up so much time. He wasn't even that good of a character to me, he seemed like a real try-hard this season and he kinda gave me a "wannabe villain" vibe.
Lol, it's cool. I'm not into Big Brother, sorry, but I can see why some people like it. On that note, though - as a BB watcher, what are your thoughts on Caleb, going into this new season of Survivor next year?
And otherwise: Yeah, pretty much agreed; ESPECIALLY on Terry. He SO needs another shot after what happened because, in all seriousness, it is my belief that had he not been pulled from the game and had he survived to the merge (which seemed likelier than the edit would have us believe) he very well could've gone far in the game Keith-style, seeing as how those two very much are cut from the same cloth (older dudes who are good in challenges, not strategically-minded, but generally popular/easily-likable, so people would take them far more as allies than as goats or huge threats). And between Terry and Keith, I can see Terry being willing to do a third run, since his second chance was cut so short and also because he seems like the kind who can maintain the stamina to play this game for well into his late-50's and even early-60's, Rudy-style - whereas Keith, having gone far a SECOND time and being in lesser shape, might turn down a third run (assuming it's ever offered in the first place).
I've said this numerous times about Wiglesworth, but it seems to me that she just didn't want to be there, so I give production just THAT much of a modicum of slack in that she probably wasn't giving them much to work on; but knowing this editing team, capable of giving us such misleads and mountains-out-of-molehills narratives that made us think Carolyn or Spencer could actually get more jury votes than they actually did, I'm sure they COULD have made something out of Wiglesworth's time out there, if they at least tried.
I guess you had more hope for Monica than I did. I barely remember her and was pretty shocked that she came back, but I thought maybe she'd get SOME focus at the least because she does seem (and sure enough, tried to be) like a Parvati-esque player. Woo, I couldn't have cared less for. What little exposure he got (him standing up to Spencer and Shirin in Episode 2) was more than enough for me in terms of what little story/character he had.
Yeah, Varner was just insane. It's clear that he didn't follow his own mantra, since he was all "Those who play hard right out of the gate MUST go," yet here he was playing harder in Eps 1 - 4 than any other pre-merge player in recent memory. Agreed, he definitely wanted to use his second chance to redefine himself as a villain, a la Jonathan Penner in Philippines, and I think he may have done more than enough to all but guarantee being invited back for a third run, ESPECIALLY if it's HvV 2.
You should totally try to watch a season sometime. It's pretty good. I actually think that Season 17 is a good season to start with and it's the most recent. It's good story-wise and gameplay wise.
I don't know how I feel about Caleb being on Survivor, actually. On Big Brother, I was pretty neutral towards him. He was entertaining sometimes and was a physical threat, but he was blindly loyal to his alliance (which was annoying because they're one of the most hated alliances in the shows history). Caleb still did pretty well though (4th place of 16 players).
I guess I can see his run on the show going two ways:
The Loyal Game - Similar to how he played Big Brother, he'd form an alliance and stick with it until the end. He'd cut people if he had to, but his other alliances will always consist of at least two people from within his bigger alliance.
The Opposite - Playing completly different to how he played on Big Brother and not being afraid to backstab someone. If he goes this route, then I can see him playing similarly to Tony from Cagayan (and depending on the edit they give him, it can either be annoying or great. I'm not a huge fan of Tony, lol.)
Just a head's up. The admins had decided that we are not creating any RR interactions between characters of the same team, including the three couples (Goths, D/Haters, BFFs) due to a few complications. However, some of of us are still trying to debate on that though i still argue on creating RR team pages. But if you want to keep it as a sandbox until the debate is over, than its ok.
The sentence itself for example is too long. That and because all other Cle Benett's pages (except Momma) did not have this trivia. It will be better it goes to an interaction page for characters voice by both VA's like Owen and Trent